Rumor: the 6th Gen Camaro and CTS to join ATS on RWD Alpha platform

[whitdog54]

Originally Posted by Superman Compared to what? If we're comparing which looks better overall, I vote Challenger. If we're comparing which looks most like the "retro" version, I vote Challenger. The Challenger is just a sexy looking vehicle. Too bad so many people hate on it though.

They hate on it because it lacks the performance, but hell Id would def DD one.

[Superman]

Originally Posted by whitdog54 They hate on it because it lacks the performance, but hell Id would def DD one.

Yeah, it's sucks that it's so heavy, but hell ya, I'd own one!

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by whitdog54 challenger looks more retro then the camaro IMO, but they used the dodge charger platform for it, and they kinda rushed to get it on the market and blew it. They need to start with a whole new platform to make the challenger hang with the mustang and camaro. I wouldnt mind if the SS was a v6, as long as the z28 is a v8....the z28 used to be the top model, they should make it that way again.

The SS (1st Generation) was the more powerful model. The Z/28 was a 302 small block while the SS models could have the biggest big block available. To me SS should always be the top.

Originally Posted by Superman Compared to what? If we're comparing which looks better overall, I vote Challenger. If we're comparing which looks most like the "retro" version, I vote Challenger. The Challenger is just a sexy looking vehicle. Too bad so many people hate on it though.

The challenger looks "bloated" to me. It makes even the 4th Gen. F-Body look like a small car.

The Challenger doesn't scream sexy to me at all.

[Battousai]

I actually like the challenger, but would never own one. why? because I don't need a DD, and my maro is all i will ever need

Edit: V6 in anything but the base Camaro is like putting a proppelers back on fighter airplanes...

[mouthforcombat]

I've noticed most people who wouldn't mind a v6 SS already own v6's lol. I'm not knocking anyone. But putting a v6 in an SS is completely crapping on muscle/supersport heritage. What's next? A fart can and a five foot spoiler? Leave the small displacement and forced induction to imports.

All wheel drive?... Why? Do you not enjoy being able to smoke your tires?

And yes, the Challenger DOES look better than the Camaro, regardless of how bias I am towards GM and against ford/dodge.

[R6Biker]

Because AWD makes your car not feel like such a boat. Face it, Fbodies are not the best handling cars, but what are for the most part? AWDs. Besides, only 18 year old tards who think they're cool only burn off the tires all the time to show off. Anyone can burn off the rear tires in a V8, I've seen a 12 year old girl smoke the rear tires in a car, but it takes a little more know how to launch a car properly, and in which time you don't want your tires to spin. Have you ever launched an AWD? They launch like a son of a gun, much harder than my car. I guess if all you want to do is sit in one spot and smoke your tires all the time....then I guess your right, but I would want to be able to lay the pedal to the floor and have all that power going to all the wheels and not just two. If we're going to talk about heritage, then quit putting fuel injected motors in the Camaro/Challenger/Mustang and go back to carburated, that's a ridiculous statement, because they aren't as proficient, and that's what the V6 engines are going to be one day more proficient and just as powerful than the V8's whether they're forced induction or not. That is if designers can't get the variable displacement in their engines figured out to a perfect science. The new V6 maro is just a little less powerful than my 98 SS, that sucks for me because a tuned/exhaust/intake V6 could beat my stock V8 with very little effort. It's N/A as well, V6 engines aren't a bad thing, they just have a crappy exhaust sound, but still make good power for such small displacement.
That's what ford and gm have been testing for a couple years now, FI V6 engines to replace their V8's in case the government tightens the noose on their emissions regulations.

[mouthforcombat]

I get what you're saying about launching, I've driven a 3000gt vr4, twin turbo with awd and 4 wheel turning. But awd is not muscle and is def not F-body. Not to mention, at the rate transfer cases shit the bed, you'd be replacing it every 100k miles. For some people, clearly including you, heritage doesn't matter. For me, it does. If you want to drive a WRX, go buy one.

And your example of going FI not following heritage is laughable, at best. Carbs are OLD technology, FI also creates more torque. While many carb setups are badassed and make perfect sense sitting in weekend warriors and show-muscle, it doesn't make sense for daily driving. V8's, on the other hand, are NOT old technology, especially with advances in fuel management (shutting four cylinders down on the highway and when not needed). Many modern powerhouse V8's get near-v6 gas mileage.

You're right, V6's are a good thing. Just not in Camaros.

[Battousai]

Originally Posted by mouthforcombat You're right, V6's are a good thing. Just not in z28 or ss Camaros .

Edited... They do belong in some camaros

[mouthforcombat]

Well put. No matter how well built V6's come to be, apply the same technology to a V8 and guess what? It will make more power. Why? There is a little saying, "There is no replacement for displacement." It holds true, time and time again.

[R6Biker]

Originally Posted by mouthforcombat (shutting four cylinders down on the highway and when not needed)

Called "Variable Displacement", like I said earlier. The fact of the matter is that heritage doesn't play a role in modern cars. Modern cars are meant to drive all the time, rain or shine, efficiently and not sit in a garage all week and only take the car out every once and a while because someones too afraid to put miles on it. Yes V8's may be getting better on their gas mileage but politics play a large role in car manufacturing because it doesn't matter if the V8 is producing the same mpg as the V6, it's the emissions that the EPA is watching. From the EPA's perspective what happens when you have the option to buy a V8 or V6? People want the V8, and then what happens? People start modifying the V8's and basically work at removing the emissions equipment on the cars to make more power. That's the first thing that goes on the LS1 engines, EGR and AIR, both emissions equipment. So while originally the V8 had great mileage and decent emissions, now that's all shot to hell. That's why the EPA is working on getting rid of the V8 engines. GM could release the SS with a twin turbo V6 making a ton more power than a N/A V8 SS, and you would buy the V8 because of heritage even though it may make less power?
As far as leaving the turbos to imports, turbos were originally fitted to airplanes prior to WWI and the first automotive company to put turbos on their cars was GM. Not nissan or toyota. If they would have had the technology of turbos with EFI back in the 60s like they had now, I wouldn't be surprised if GM would have put turbos on the first gen cars. The imports just utilized the turbos more than the american companies because they knew it was ridiculous to spend tons of money a year for gasoline when they could spend way less money for gasoline.

I know I sound like I'm trying to force you to believe that you should forget the V8 capabilities but I'm really not. I respect the development of the V8 engine in the camaro/firebird over the past 40 someodd years, hell I've got both the V6 and V8. I just hate to see people automatically reject the thought of a V6 in a high performance camaro just because it has two less cylinders.

[mouthforcombat]

I can live with that and see points in what you're saying. But the lack of torque and hideous fart sound that comes out of V6... ugh, I just can't live with it. If this is what's to come, I'll be spending a lot more time on my R1 and try to preserve my TA to last until I die.

[R6Biker]

Originally Posted by mouthforcombat I can live with that and see points in what you're saying. But the lack of torque and hideous fart sound that comes out of V6... ugh, I just can't live with it. If this is what's to come, I'll be spending a lot more time on my R1 and try to preserve my TA to last until I die.

haha, i agree, the V6 sounds retarded as all get out, and I def respect the heritage of the musclecar era, I know it's not a muscle car, but I've got a 72 Lemans Sport project car and I love that car to death because of the time frame that it was produced. Like I said, I didn't intend for my comments to sound like I was trying to beat down on ya, I was just wanting to understand your perspective a little better.

[Rangersltw]

Fuck it all, who cares. The general public and gov want cars with high mpg and thats what most people care about. Keep your 4th gen and stay happy.

[fbodyrs96]

trick is to get the V6 to sound like a V8, then no one would care for the most part.

[Rangersltw]

Originally Posted by fbodyrs96 trick is to get the V6 to sound like a V8, then no one would care for the most part.

But the Camaro is known for its V8.

[Turn Blinker Fluid]

Originally Posted by Superman Compared to what? If we're comparing which looks better overall, I vote Challenger. If we're comparing which looks most like the "retro" version, I vote Challenger. The Challenger is just a sexy looking vehicle. Too bad so many people hate on it though.

I have to agree. The challenger is one sexy piece of machine. It might not perform as well as the camaro or the mustang, but it's got plenty for me. At the sake of being ousted, I have allways been 50/50 on the new camaro. Sometimes I look at it and it looks like a bad ass retro 1st gen car, and sometimes it looks like a damn cadillac to me. Considering that the camaro was floating around for many years before it actually came out, I kinda lost the nostallgic feeling about the car. It might be new but my brain tells me old.

As for the v6 idea, it would be a very bad direction forthe camaro IMHO. I wouldn't buy one, or I'd swap an LS motor into it.

[mouthforcombat]

I'd swap an LS motor into it.

I think you have uncovered the answer to all life's problems.

[thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by mouthforcombat I think you have uncovered the answer to all life's problems.

Swap an LS into a Challenger and we solve that problem too .